I draw the line at when a third party internet-connected service is doing validation of ID. Let’s be honest though, I strongly believe such a thing isn’t possible on a FOSS operating system environment unless they could control what was bootable on the device at a firmware level, enforce signatures to ensure that you couldn’t boot something unrestricted, remove the ability to be root, and block LD_PRELOAD so signals couldn’t be faked. There’s probably more ways to circumvent that.
What I’m trying to say is real ID verification on Linux would be awfully hard to implement, and I guarantee you, nobody would put up with it. They’d fork to a version that doesn’t have it immediately as a protest. Right now, we’re considering implementing something akin to the date pickers that were ubiquitous when signing up for internet services in the early 2000s where it’s just an honor system.
also, why shouldn’t children have a computer?
They might use it to get support when their abusive parents send them to conversion therapy /s
I wouldn’t even /s that
goes on to provide an entire way to implement it
Yeah no, this guy is an absolute asshole
an entire way? he didn’t do any of
control what was bootable on the device at a firmware level, enforce signatures to ensure that you couldn’t boot something unrestricted, remove the ability to be root, and block LD_PRELOAD so signals couldn’t be faked
Right now, we’re considering implementing something akin to the date pickers that were ubiquitous when signing up for internet services in the early 2000s where it’s just an honor system.
If you implement that, I switch to a fork that removes it.
Or even leverage the Ageless Linux OS project in protest
Any systemd fork or distro that exists just to remove the birthDate field will be dead in a few weeks.
There ain’t no way someone is going to maintain an entire fork and distro to remove one optional field in a user’s profile.
I think a birthday field in Pam or passwd would be fine. It’d be cool to have a happy birthday motd on login.
But it doesn’t belong in what should be an init system. Much of the scope of systemd beyond an init system is the real issue. Resolved for example. Fuck poettering.
The change was to systemd-userdb (and systemd-homed but that one most distros don’t use) which is optional. You can use the init system without it. IIRC You only need it if some apps want to use user records beyond the default NSS ones.
Don’t like systemd-resolve? Fine. I get that plenty of implementation details are incomplete, suck or have caused friction with other software. On the other hand it’s a really useful tool for dynamic split dns handling, which is why I like using it. You can disable it, I’ve done so on some workstations and servers, because of poor choices in internal domain names leading to mDNS issues, knock yourself out.
Don’t think it should be part of an init system? It really isn’t. I wouldn’t call systemd just an init system to begin with, though that was the initial project goal. Most of its parts are reasonably well separated or at least highly configurable for a service layer. I genuinely think it’s completely insane to have DNS resolution in libc, but people have gotten used to that. Systemd-resolved is completely inoffensive in comparison imho.
Don’t like systemd as a whole? Use a distro without it. It really is that simple. Everything has been discussed - at length. Wars have been fought. At this point, change will only come if the complainers actually sit down, shut up and do some work towards their goals.
Sorry this turned into such a rant, most of this isn’t even directed at you, this situation just annoys me. Especially this poor guy getting death threats on GitHub because someone riled up all the asshats in the community who have no idea how any of this works. Maybe they should focus their energy on the political forces pushing the California legislation that started this whole mess? I’ve been tired of this stupid debate for years now. I feel like it’s mostly carried by people who have no idea what they are talking about these days.
I wouldn’t call systemd just an init system to begin with, though that was the initial project goal.
Scope creep. You’re describing scope creep.
No, though parts of systemd have a scope creep issue, that’s not what I’m describing. I’m talking about Poettering deciding to create a service layer for Linux after stealing some ideas from MacOS. Reducing that to “scope creep” is misleading at best and feeds into the “systemd is a monolithic application” concern trolling at worst.
The only ID verification that works is when a legal entity that has liability for misuse verifies IDs. I want to live in a world where kids install linux on a pi and thus have root to set whatever settings they want. IF you need to verify ID for some reason, then you need to verify with something that the kids don’t control - that everyone else can trust (good luck)
How about I’d there is no verification at all and it’s just a local value?
The whole point is to ‘protect’ people for things they shouldn’t do but are legal for others. Porn is the common example where many (but not all) object and want to keep thair kids away. which is why an id is needed - otherwise any kid will give a false age.
The only way to do this that protects privacy is to accept that, but also parents of young children can just not give them root.
Stop letting the fascists frame the narrative.
We don’t need local values at all. Computer should not be broadcasting personal identifiable info to every single website and cookie out there, regardless if it lets you lie or not. That’s fucking idiotic.
If you want to do what these things claim to be for, and protect children, you make websites contain a flag for content rating and local devices do the filtering.
Not the other way around, which is only useful for tracking. Most websites aren’t going to bother to follow through on it, anyway, why make it even more difficult and unlikely they do so?
Computer should not be broadcasting personal identifiable info to every single website and cookie out there, regardless if it lets you lie or not.
Good thing that’s not what you was proposed.
You’re clearly too enraged to actually read the law though, so reality doesn’t matter to you.
Lmao, did that fucker really think he’d just get away with people saying “oh no~”?
Yeah, what an idiot. To expect people to not behave like an angry mob and target him for harassment.
Such a dummy.
